Think I got ripped off!

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If your car is a genuine FQ400 then correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure they already come with forged internals ?? And an Owen development turbo and possibly a motec ecu ??

That was what I thought but obviously Bob didn't think it was enough for whatever reason! But this is coming from a man who thought the Hks system with decay was too restrictive for 400bhp. Says it all really.
 
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so the op isnt the cars owner its his mate??? hmmm jury's out on this one, dealing with such large sums of money tempers can be flared and things egsagerated, one of the reasons why i didnt post up too much about when my car was being looked over as i took it from place to place with no answer on what was wrong with it i felt like i was paying expensive storage, but its the nature of the beast if i had a corsa i would expect an aprentice mechanic to take an hour to find a prob pay a 50 quid bill and ill be gone with my car but thats not how it goes with the evo, lot more involved.

i would say to the op take your car somewhere else that others recomend get it fixed once and for all make sure you buy some NEW coil packs and take this all as a steep learning curve and enjoy your rare car some of us would kill to have that.

if that video was of the day it came back from dynotech with YOUR coils on it im not surprised its running like that its not been mapped with the dodgy coils.

another thing ALWAYS GET RECIPTS whether a company is working off the books or not that isnt the issue because lets face it anyone who is self employed does it to 1 extreme or another but off the books you dont have any come back as you have no proof the work has taken place
 
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Try these guys they in guilford bit of a way for you but they are great.

Took my 8 down there for rolling road day they spent a lot of time getting me on the road but on the first run they noticed I was way to lean so took me off with out finishing the run.

They spent an hour and half going through the whole car to find out wat was wrong and did not charge me!!


So I changed a few filters and stuff they said to try first but didn't fix it so went back to them went through some more options such as doing remap. So they had a look at the map and found it was wrong for the car and agreed to put a standard factory map on to see if that sorted the problem and it did.

They then done a power run 6 of them lol and got me pushing 333bhp on standard map!!

Best part of it is because I listened to them did the stuff they recommended first and didn't wast there time they went gonna charge.

I couldn't let them do that so they just charged me £70 for a standard map.

Any way there dyno tuner is a top man rated highly in the trade

http://www.euro-spec2000.co.uk/

This is there site give them a call and speak to ben they will sort u out and won't rip u off
 
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As promised, I have the dyno plot from a wrx owner who had his car mapped by Hayes engineering (Dynotech)



You might notice the profanity in the picture, this is added on by Bob the owner of Hayes engineering (Dynotech),I was very shocked to say the least.

Now it might not look too bad, but it might interest you to know this member only got 2 of his 3 power runs he paid for, the car literally detonated spitting a large flame out the back. He told me that Bob had asked him to recover the cost for damages incurred to his dyno too!

Below is a link to the youtube video of the said power run before the scooby blew up:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZYjt5EfMjo]rolling road at hayes engineering erith kent this poor scooby is ill lol - YouTube[/ame]

I hope that I can save someone from going through what I have had to endure. It was taxing mentally and financially, the worse bit was that I've little to show for it.

I have since found a whole host of unhappy customers who have until now kept quiet. This includes civic owners who were recommended Ray when he used to build civics prior to working on evos they of course were shut down!
 
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whys the bonnet left up as a scooby has a top mounted intercooler. bit of heat soak there maybe
 
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Also should make it clear that the scooby came in with more power.
 
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looks like he got his 3 power looking at the graph!!!

Blimey this was 4 years ago, drag up the past is not a good thing
 
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Well I'm not sure how the date is relevant, I met the owner only recently and he was kind enough to share his experience in the hope that others may learn of Hayes engineering. My dyno is recent though as is my video if that helps. But this much if you must take anything from this thread it's that: Hayes engineering was awful to begin with and is still awful.
 
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Maybe you should go & see them rather than such slander in public...
 
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Whats puzzling me is how a 400bhp car looses 100bhp cos you said something about it being 300bhp ??

i don't understand that bit :confused:
 
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look like the coils have to be replaced as said in previous posts
 
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+1 also if the coils are faulty you can not put in any timing as your engine will det & melt a piston, looks like this is what happened before you took it to Dynotech.

If you add up the figures you paid £2800 for an engine rebuild & fitting a new turbo kit & intercooler, you said base map & to run the car in on the dyno cost £1000 + £500 this would only leave £1300 for a engine rebuild with porting, head work & labour for the rebuild fitting the turbo kit etc is too cheap..

These figures don't seem right to me

Seems like you have a vendetta against Bob & Dynotech
 
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Ide like to say Evo owners is a nice close community so can we all keep name calling and slander to a minimum please.
Thank you flagsquad md :D
 
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also another confusing thing why change exhausts after mapping? that looses power :confused:
 
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+1 also if the coils are faulty you can not put in any timing as your engine will det & melt a piston, looks like this is what happened before you took it to Dynotech.

If you add up the figures you paid £2800 for an engine rebuild & fitting a new turbo kit & intercooler, you said base map & to run the car in on the dyno cost £1000 + £500 this would only leave £1300 for a engine rebuild with porting, head work & labour for the rebuild fitting the turbo kit etc is too cheap..

These figures don't seem right to me

Seems like you have a vendetta against Bob & Dynotech

No those figures are for just the dyno run and map, it does not include any part or labour, the total expense came to over £10k I don't think it's by any measure cheap.

Also the figures of 425 were made after the coilpacks had been replaced. The reason I said it made circa 300 was because this is the figure it made on their running in map in 4th gear, but then I noticed when they were doing the power run after the map (the ones I've uploaded showing 425) they used 3rd gear instead.

All of this was after they've worked on it, so to avoid confusion a rough timeline of what happened looked like this:
I brought car into Hayes engineering with nothing done but exhaust and remap and it was making over 400
They then proceeded to remap it, they wiped it and mapped it
Engine blew up
They then rebuilt the engine to the spec I posted as they deemed it necesary so I paid in advance and they done the work
They then ran the car in on the dyno so I paid them for that plus the money to load a running in map on, from here onwards the car had cold start problems and idling issues and lack of power.
The coilpack went, so I purchased a new set of coilpacks from them and had the car serviced.
I then proceeded to drive it for a while as I was told the final map would address all these issues.
I brought it back to them for mapping and my coilpack went again so it was changed changed again they then finished mapping the car but problem still persist, the dyno plots I've uploaded were after this point.

As for why I don't voice my problems to them instead of slander them off? I'm not sure what I've said to suggest I've not discussed these issues with them before. I have discussed this with them to no end and each time they've insisted:
"bring it back next time and we'll sort it out", only they charge quite a large sum to look at the car and 'resolve' the problem being they don't resolve the issue, when confronted again they simply tell me bring it back next time and we'll have a look at it and "bring us down a drink as well because we should have charged you more last time" I don't believe I'm slandering them, to be honest they've been given many chances to remedy the situation and I feel I've exhausted all other option and believe that other enthusiasts have the right to know of my experience before doing business with this company. I'm not telling anyone to avoid them I'm just saying I've been had alot of money with little to no result and I've posted my dyno plots, a video of my car and my spec. If members still wish to take their cars to them there's nothing stopping them, this thread like so many others are just here to provide members with customer's first hand experience in the hope that you can make a well-informed decision.

also another confusing thing why change exhausts after mapping? that looses power :confused:
Unless the car is mapped again of course, they have told me to replace my exhaust system based on their hunch that the HKS system is inadequate for 400+ bhp and then come back to them for another map at £500 for rolling road and £500 for the map again. I have been told the price of a remap normally includes the rolling road to map the car, with Hayes engineering, the total price for mapping in this instance would be £1000

I'm not certain that their mapper is willing nor able to map my car, I felt I was left with little option and felt I should have cut my losses and sell the evo off after all the grief it has caused me with him ringing my work place for more money to order extra things I had not discussed with him. It has been an exhausting experience... To begin with I thought I could achieve circa 500 bhp and I have since been told by other tuners that a gt3076r running circa 2 bars of boost on a 2.1 block should achieve over 500bhp with great ease. But to be honest now I would be happy with my car to be running right...
 
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