newbies peddling parts

[Dave Brennun]

Not that I am having a go, or that I am upset in any way but why do we have a system where someone gets to register as a member and goes straight for the for sale section to peddle whatever they have to get shot of? Only to come and go as they please via PM's

Since the recent incident with ejazking or whatever he thinks his name is, it just seems a little odd that some rules are not put there to help prevent it happening again or at the very least make them have to earn the right to sell. El is quick and good when it comes to nipping things in the bud and settings thing right/putting people in their place but wheres the follow through pal

Might be all well and everything for getting people to join up as there are parts that bots pick up on and post on google but if that's all there is to it then aren't we better off going over to that other place where they charge you money to join and only care about how many new full paying members are coming in and helping the pockets get fatter?

You know the place, it's the one where people happily pay money and get treated like dirt no matter how much they claim to love being a member, you know where I am talking about right

They moan and groan when freebies join up and have a 3 day minimum wait for non paying members to view for sale threads so they can get first dibs on everything, but when they get told they have to remove their for sale thread because they are profiteering scum bags (you know who you are pal),they come running over here to post up and go running back to the mods that shit on them, mods that are power hungry and in your face out right rude forever looking for an excuse to exercise their authority........quality

I am sure that if the parts threads bring in guests that might turn into members then there are already quite a few settled in nice members that have loads of stuff and they need only put up a thread for each item.

Am I right or am I just rambling on here like an old fogie that has past his sell by date???

I personally think there should be a minimum 30 or 50 useful post system which means useful posts not any old crap and there should be a rule as a minimum which is: landline number has to be on thread and all correspondence should be on thread except for addresses.

Any transactions conducted through PM should be left at the risk of both parties and they should be laughed at and taken the piss out of when they get done over, the sort of thing that is practiced over at the other place that I was on about

What are the opinions that you guys have on this and is it a good suggestion or not? What do you suggest we should doto improve the system?

Are you still here???? How come???​

 

[Nick]

Its a difficult one. El has brought up similar in the past.

First some history, We used to have a minimum post for users to post adverts but it became an issue with people posting stuff to get their post count up.

My personal feeling is that if thats all people want fair enough. It still generates movement here which is what generates other more useful and interesting stuff. If people join most of them allow me to send them newsletters which sometimes gets them back. If someone is selling a car they are leaving the evo fold so wont really be interested in staying but with their car here we may get the buyer to stay and chat.

Plus its always buyer beware. A seller with no rep is a lot less likely to get a good price (as there wont be the demand) so it is in their interest to post to build a rep.

Im always up for improvement so any ideas post! But with this situation I do think im damned if I do and damned if I dont. There is no go way to do it...

 

[Dave Brennun]

I think if it's car being sold then fine, fair enough, no newbie post or minimum required because it will bring guests. No contact number should be on the add though as this means anyone interested has to register to get somewhere but when it comes to parts/paying online/waiting for them to come/hassle of the part or parts being crap/damaged/not arriving at all and the seller not communicating and so on is something that is what I hope we can address.

I have an idea nick and I told el about it but he said that you won't have the time to implement the system any time soon as he had already thought of it before and it will demand some time devoted to it by you and el thinks you too busy all the time even though you might love it it will be way hard on the timescale etc. etc. etc.

To be honest with you, I am surprised, confused even that no one else has posted a reply giving their opinion on this one yet! Is no other member bothered about this?

The posts could be monitored to make sure they are useful, on a forum that my mates on, they have the minimum and each thread is counted as one post even if you leave 100 replies on it. When the member goes to post a for sale ad on that forum, the mod checks his post count and scans posts (if he has time) if the count is weak he deletes the thread. SIMPLES

The rogue or rose thread is a good idea but who actually uses it? mostly els customers because he pushes them to use it so that others will too. It is a start but not enough.

We should be known for setting the benchmark for others to follow, that will speak volumes in itself imo.

 

[Nick]

The posts could be monitored to make sure they are useful, on a forum that my mates on, they have the minimum and each thread is counted as one post even if you leave 100 replies on it. When the member goes to post a for sale ad on that forum, the mod checks his post count and scans posts (if he has time) if the count is weak he deletes the thread. SIMPLES

But it doesnt actually solve the issue of them posting the poor posts to get the numbers up. By the time they made the sale thread they have already posted the crap which then needs dealing with causing work for mods and annoying users.
I have thought about a small fee to get around the minimum post which could be used to phone verify people before they can post their items, but again that really pushes them to make poor posts.

Are we fixing the issue of ensuring its a quality seller or the fact they only use here to sell?

 

[DennisEvo]

Firstly in reply to dave,I havnt got a landline so it'd be hard to put on here,n just to prove my point,I've stuck around n helped on topics if I could. I think if people sign up jus to sell stuff then fair enough,they might be sellin somethin one of us is interested in,plus it might start off with it just being the person sellin something n progressing to helping one of us with a prob,u neva no. The only thing I'm bothered about at the min is these hairy fairys that keep signin up with dumb ass names n post complete drivel,there should be a web happy slap for people like that.

 

[ElDopesta]

A possible solution here!

........these hairy fairys that keep signin up with dumb ass names n post complete drivel,there should be a web happy slap for people like that.

There are many easy ways to solve the issue as well as hard ways Dave!

To be honest with you, I did have the same mentality a little while back and have been brewing on it ever since. The Rogue or Rose thread is something of a stop gap really that will creat an awareness to the issue but only as we grow. I am confident that the thread and feedbacks that are posted within the thread will grow with us. At the moment there are not that many active members that need parts.

This does not mean that I am not on the ball as I check newbies movements all the time and see patterns emerging as they occur.

I have an idea that I have been chewing on and was waiting to weigh it up but since you have started this thread, your first thread I might add, excluding the newbie post of course I will put the idea forward here and now:

I think it would be a positive move if all for sale threads regardless of how old or new the member is, should have a header/disclaimer/advisory at the start which is a sticky and can not be removed. This header will be in place to highlight the potential problems/risks that can occur and has a link to the Rogue or Rose thread.​

By doing this, it will create awareness of the feedback thread and will allow the buyer to proceed with a little more caution or confidence. It might even encourage them to leave a post on the feedback thread once the purchase has been made. At the same time, the seller will push the buyer to leave feedback on the Rogue or Rose thread as it will mean future buyers will have a little more confidence in dealing with him/her.

You want a bench mark that is not out there then this is as good as it gets. For now anyway

Just thinking out loud here.

Any takers????

 

[dic]

surely the best way is to implement a system where payment by paypal must be an option on every for sale thread. if you have bought off the seller before and trust him fine, send your payment through paypal as a gift.
if your have never bought of the seller or he has no history/feedback. use paypal and put it through as buying goods that way you are insured....

i two do not have a landline no. (no point i have mobile.)
and do not want idiots posting for the sake of it (thats what mlr is for lol....)

 

[ElDopesta]

The thing with PayPal is that it is not guaranteed to get your money back unless the seller is a registered trader.

If the seller transfers the money to their bank account as soon as it is in, PayPal will have a hard time getting it back for you. Only a certain amount of traders have a payment delay clause and that is only through egay.

Nearly all private seller transactions these days are done online and the majority of them are through PayPal when delivery is involved, it does not prevent people getting ripped off.

The land line idea is not good at all. If you are a private seller trying to sell an alternator that you have no use for, are you willing to have your number available for every one on the planet to have access to??? That would be a double glazing firms dream come true!

El

 

[dic]

what about anybody wanting to sell must provide either buisness address/phone no. (for traders) or ebay username (everybody has one now surely) so you can at least check out their feedback before you risk your hard earned?

 

[Nick]

Traders do provide address and phone number before they are allowed to become traders.
Not sure about the ebay name though. Whats to stop someone giving a random name with good feedback?

 

[dic]

Traders do provide address and phone number before they are allowed to become traders.
Not sure about the ebay name though. Whats to stop someone giving a random name with good feedback?

good point i did'nt think of that

 

[dic]

could you not make something for are profile sidebar for example:
thanks
thanke times in posts
rep power
sales feedback 100% 1 item sold

or something like that?

 

[m7gsr]

I think the profile sidebar would be a good option. Get the traders registered properly with genuine addresses and no temp. mobile numbers as a lot of the traders (dogdy ones that is),bin their sim card after a few sales and then use a new one.

Checking ebay feedback won't be that good because like an earlier post, they can give anyone's user name. The way to overcome this is to get them to send you a message on ebay using the given username??

 

[ElDopesta]

Traders do provide address and phone number before they are allowed to become traders.
Not sure about the ebay name though. Whats to stop someone giving a random name with good feedback?

Agreed! The registered traders are not the problem, it is the private sellers. The traders that register have less to gain by ripping you off. In fact they would be stupid to do it because it would be bad for business.

could you not make something for are profile sidebar for example:
thanks
thanke times in posts
rep power
sales feedback 100% 1 item sold

or something like that?

This is the idea that Dave put forward to me before which is something that I was already toying with at the time he suggested it. The only thing that is an immediate issue with that idea is that it will be a little tooooo much to implement as Nick and time are not the best of friends

Add to that, the bar will need to include the members buyer rating too as we all like to know who the tyre kickers are right!!!!

It is a system that is in partially in use on the 123.net site and makes perfect sense but will take some effort to put in place. For this reason, we need a stop gap filler that is easier on time to implement.

Keep the suggestions rolling in, we may hit upon something which is best all round. I am going to be gunning for the system on the 123.net, but for now, if we can come up with a quick fix that will tide us over, it will be great.

El

 

[rich_f]

just an idea?

well y dont all items 4 sale big or small go through some kind of screening.

as in;

1. all users are free to look at wot is for sale,

2. in order to post an item for sale some kinda request form will need to be filled out by the seller

e.g
type of seller: trade/private
name:bob
contact number: 123456789
e-mail address: bob@1234.com
item for sale:evo dumpvalve
condition: new/used/broken/needs TLC
paypal adress: bob@paypal

3. then checked by admin/Authoriser who can see if they are a real member or just a fly by member going by date they jouned or by post's they have created or by paypal address.

4. when checked admin/Authoriser can then creat the post for every 1 to see.

hopfully doing away with the people that are just out to rip people off.

we have something like this at work and seems to work quite well.

but just an idea feel free to shoot it down in flames lol

 

[m7gsr]

I think this idea you have rich_f is good. Only downside is more work for admin

 

[rich_f]

well it dont have to be admin just an apointed person or some 1 willing to manage it

 

[m7gsr]

True, someone who's been a member for a while/trustworthy. Doubt Nick will be able to do it. Have read he is a very busy man.

 

[rich_f]

that is also true

 

[Dave Brennun]

Some kind of good ideas here but nothing great to be honest with ya. Any one else got anything to say on this or what?